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Michael Knott17/09/2007 16:36:00
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I'm doing a diorama of ww1, a trench scene, but i don't know what to use as mud.

I'm thinking paper-mache but i don't have a clue

 Advice would be appreciated

Deano17/09/2007 16:42:00
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Reading another thread here Linseed putty was used.Not tried it yet but ive got a tub ready to go!
Ross O'Neill17/09/2007 17:19:00
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Hi Michael

There are a couple of options that I have found which create a mud effect.

I used to use a combination of play pit sand, PVA glue and brown emulsion paint (just a tester pot) or more recently I have started to use sand and brown tile grout.

Best regards

Ross

Michael Knott17/09/2007 17:30:00
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thanks!

I'll have a look at that one

 Recently though i was thinking of using garden mud?

Will that work?

creading17/09/2007 17:33:00
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I use the lightweight 'spackle paste' mixed with raw umber pigment. I mix up several batches with varying amounts of the pigment so the final product isn't too uniform in color.

Cheers,

Charles 

Brad James18/09/2007 16:45:00
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I think Charles is on the $ here...

Any 'filler' that has reasonable working time can be mixed in it's powder form with cheap acrylics or pigments or pastel chalks (too tedious for large volume work though!) or even oxide powder for cement/concrete colouring. Apply roughly in a basic layer, and as it dries you can sculpt more detail where needed. Make sure you have your scene ready with trenches, gradients, furrows, shell holes, etc. so there is less reliance on your 'mud' to form the bulk of the base covering. Once dried you can add gloss to represent wet mud, or a wash and drybrush highlighting to give it more depth etc. not dissimilar to finishing a tank...

This first pic has some static grass mixed in. It is a basic woodfiller putty with a brown cement oxide added once dried. This diorama is still looking like this laying dormant!

 

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l278/AgathaPalooba/mmud.jpg

This one has had the puddled areas roughly planned out before pouring the mixture on (like cake mix) once it starts to set more separated clumps of mud/dirt can be formed as though churned. There has been clear gloss added lastly after some washes and highlights. Ignore this tank, which isn't on the finished diorama...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l278/AgathaPalooba/mmmud.jpg

Not sure if either are the look you're after... Just remember to look for either a powdered form of filler (just add water) or a pre mixed 'bog' filler which may prove more expensive but just as useful. Good ol plaster of paris can be used as a last resort as it is a little cheaper but can go rock hard just when you don't want it to...

Cheers

Brad

Michael Knott18/09/2007 17:08:00
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thanks, i can't believe how helpfull everyone has been. looking at the pictures i think i will do the paper mache then smother it with the powder/filler stuff

cheers

Michael

Gary Radford02/10/2007 17:35:00
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Hi Michael,

  If you are going to use paper mache, just a warning, it may tend to lift at the corners as it dries out. I think it all depends on the size of the Dio. I know as it happened to me.

 Cheers.

  Gaz

Michael Knott03/10/2007 16:55:00
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cheers for the advice; i'll bear that in mind but i don't think it'' effect mine because i'm putting something on top- linseed putty?
Jason Ozee09/06/2008 00:41:00
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Brad ... your diorama mud is outstanding.  Unbelievable how realistic the muddy bog looks.  Have you finished this diorama?  I know it's been a while.

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